Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

05/06/2021 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 47 VEHICLE REGISTRATION/PERSONS W/DISABILITY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HJR 7 CONST. AM: PERM FUND & PFDS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 7(STA) Out of Committee
+= HB 73 PERM FUND; ADVISORY VOTE TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 73 Out of Committee
+= HB 187 STATE AGENCY PUBLICATIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HB 66 ELECTIONS, VOTING, BALLOTS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
*+ HB 161 COUNCIL ON ARTS: PLATES & MANAGE ART TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
        SB  47-VEHICLE REGISTRATION/PERSONS W/DISABILITY                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:04:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced that the first  order of business                                                               
would  be  SENATE  BILL  NO.  47, "An  Act  relating  to  special                                                               
registration   plates  for   vehicles  owned   by  persons   with                                                               
disabilities."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:05:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELVI  GRAY-JACKSON,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  prime                                                               
sponsor,  introduced  SB   47.    She  spoke   from  the  sponsor                                                               
statement, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     SB47  amends AS  28.10.18(d)  to allow  speech-language                                                                    
     pathologists,  physical  therapists,  and  occupational                                                                    
     therapists  to provide  proof  of  disability to  their                                                                    
     clients.   Currently,  only chiropractors,  physicians,                                                                    
     physicians'    assistants,    or   advanced    practice                                                                    
     registered nurses  can provide  proof of  disability to                                                                    
     their clients.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     By expanding  the ability for medical  professionals in                                                                    
     different  fields to  provide  proof  of disability  to                                                                    
     individuals,   the   opportunity  to   obtain   special                                                                    
     registration  plates  for   vehicles  is  expanded  for                                                                    
     people with different kinds of disabilities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Oftentimes, individuals  with disabilities are  in more                                                                    
     constant  contact with  their physical  or occupational                                                                    
     therapists  than with  physicians because  their issues                                                                    
     require more  specialized care.   It can  be cumbersome                                                                    
     for  these  people,  who  are  already  suffering  with                                                                    
     disabilities,  to  make  an  additional  visit  to  the                                                                    
     physician  purely for  the purpose  of acquiring  their                                                                    
     plaques.   To provide ease and  accessibility for these                                                                    
     disabled  people,  it  would   be  more  efficient  and                                                                    
     effective   to   allow   these  additional   types   of                                                                    
     professionals to provide proof of disability.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:06:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BESSE  ODOM,  Staff,  Senator  Elvi  Gray-Jackson,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented  a sectional analysis  of SB 47  on behalf                                                               
of Senator Gray-Jackson, prime sponsor.   She stated that Section                                                               
1 would amend  AS 28.10.181(d) to include a person  licensed as a                                                               
speech-language  pathologist  or  as   a  physical  therapist  or                                                               
occupational therapist under AS 08.84                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:07:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN drew attention to  page 1, lines [7-8], of                                                               
the bill  which refer to a  person with a disability  that limits                                                               
or impairs  the ability  to walk.   He offered  his understanding                                                               
that  speech-language pathologists  would be  added to  those who                                                               
can provide proof  of a person being limited in  their ability to                                                               
walk.  He  inquired about why dentists and  other providers would                                                               
not also be added.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  replied  that that  question  hadn't  been                                                               
given any thought.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:08:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR said she supports  SB 47 because she believes                                                               
in  having  providers  take full  advantage  of  their  training,                                                               
especially  given  the  current  shortage of  providers  and  the                                                               
difficulty  in getting  appointments  with them.   She  explained                                                               
that in relation to  speech-language pathologists, the structures                                                               
of  the inner  ear are  related  to balance  and equilibrium  and                                                               
people who have  that kind of disorder might  have issues related                                                               
to mobility and go to other health care providers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  offered her  appreciation for  the detailed                                                               
letters of  support for SB  47 provided in the  committee packet,                                                               
which painted the  picture of why this bill is  needed.  She said                                                               
the bill is very timely.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN asked  whether, if  the bill  became law,                                                               
the  speech-language therapist  would  use some  sort of  grading                                                               
system to determine the extent of disability.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON responded that  she assumes the process will                                                               
work exactly as it  does today when a person goes  to a doctor or                                                               
chiropractor.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN stated  he is asking because  he assumes a                                                               
doctor would  have a  profound ability  to diagnose  a structural                                                               
disability and  the range  of mobility.   He  surmised that  if a                                                               
speech-language pathologist was assessing  someone for a physical                                                               
disability that  wasn't related to  balance, the  pathologist may                                                               
need  the  tools to  be  able  to do  so  accurately,  and he  is                                                               
interested in any background information.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ODOM answered that a  person experiencing a mobility issue or                                                               
a disability  impacting their mobility  is usually referred  to a                                                               
speech-language  pathologist and  others  as part  of their  care                                                               
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:12:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN observed  that the  current structure  of                                                               
this statute  limits disabilities  to those  who are  impaired in                                                               
walking.   He inquired about  opening this type of  license plate                                                               
to those who are disabled in other ways.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON replied  that  she  believes changing  this                                                               
statute to include occupational  therapists and speech therapists                                                               
would take care of handling  folks who have disabilities in other                                                               
ways.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether   the  sponsor  would  be                                                               
supportive of an  amendment that adjusts page 1,  line 7, because                                                               
the way he  reads the language is that currently  the only person                                                               
who  can request  this type  of license  plate is  one who  has a                                                               
limit with  the ability to  walk.   He posited that  someone with                                                               
other  kinds of  disabilities  would  not be  able  to make  that                                                               
initial request and apply for the plate.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  deferred  to   [Ms.  Alfonsi,  an  invited                                                               
witness] to provide an answer.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:14:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE ALFONSI provided  invited testimony in support  of SB 47.                                                               
She noted  she is speaking on  behalf of herself and  that she is                                                               
the  Alaska  volunteer partner  for  the  Unmasking Brain  Injury                                                               
Project.  She  related that she has a college  degree and used to                                                               
work full-time until 2012 when she  was a passenger in a rollover                                                               
car accident  that resulted in  internal injuries  and persistent                                                               
concussion symptoms.   She spent  her savings on medical  care by                                                               
people  who  did  not  understand  her  injuries  nor  the  right                                                               
treatment  for them.   She  now works  part-time in  food service                                                               
while doing volunteer  advocacy.  Since 2015 she  has planned and                                                               
implemented  annual   brain  injury  education   with  continuing                                                               
education   credits    for   chiropractic,    physical   therapy,                                                               
occupational therapy, and  physician continuing medical education                                                               
(CME).   Getting  credits approved  requires an  understanding of                                                               
each  field's scope  of  practice.   She has  been  a patient  in                                                               
offices of every field listed in  SB 47 and has worked in medical                                                               
and dental offices.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALFONSI  provided examples of why  the bill is valid  for the                                                               
scopes  of practice.   She  referred  to numbered  qualifications                                                               
listed  on  the  application  for a  special  disability  parking                                                               
permit to obtain a disability placard.   She noted that numbers 1                                                               
and 2  on the  form reference walking  distance and  walking with                                                               
assistance.   She stated that physical  therapists usually assess                                                               
walking  more  extensively  than   do  physicians  who  look  for                                                               
neurological  ability to  walk but  don't  physically assess  the                                                               
distance, stamina, or  assistive technology.  It is  in the scope                                                               
of practice for  an occupational therapist to do  a driving test,                                                               
and   these  results   are  officially   accepted  by   workman's                                                               
compensation, but occupational therapists  don't have the ability                                                               
to provide [a signature on  an application for special disability                                                               
parking permit].  The sixth  qualification is if the applicant is                                                               
"severely limited in  their ability to walk due  to an arthritic,                                                               
neurological, or  orthopedic condition."   Speech  therapists can                                                               
provide   cognitive   assessments   and   cognitive   re-training                                                               
regarding  that neurological  factor.    Cognitive fatigue,  full                                                               
response time,  or problems juggling multiple  variables can make                                                               
driving  unsafe and  can increase  the chances  for an  accident.                                                               
Currently, when a physical  therapist, occupational therapist, or                                                               
[speech-language  pathologist] does  an  assessment, the  patient                                                               
must  then  make another  appointment  to  get that  [disability]                                                               
parking  placard.    This takes  additional  time,  expense,  and                                                               
medical appointments in  a state with a health  care shortage, as                                                               
well as  put more  obstacles on  rural residents.   Cumulatively,                                                               
the bill  will save  money, re-injuries,  and time,  and increase                                                               
independence, healing, and economic  vitality.  MS. Alfonsi urged                                                               
the committee to pass SB 47.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:18:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALFONSI  addressed  the previous  questions  from  committee                                                               
members.   She  said speech-language  pathologists and  all these                                                               
fields  routinely  do  various  kinds  of  assessments  that  are                                                               
accepted  nationally; these  are accreditations,  certifications,                                                               
and licensures that are accepted  nationally.  Of the assessments                                                               
done by  a speech-language  pathologist, some  are the  very same                                                               
assessments done  by a neuropsychologist,  so those  are approved                                                               
nationally.  Plus,  rather than just a test result  spit out by a                                                               
neuropsychologist's computer,  a speech-language  pathologist can                                                               
catch if someone  is giving themselves an  assistive factor, such                                                               
as  someone  with  vision impairment  using  auditory  assistance                                                               
while  taking the  test that  they otherwise  would have  failed.                                                               
Regarding  Representative Eastman's  question about  an amendment                                                               
[for  those who  are disabled  in ways  other than  walking], she                                                               
suggested that  after the phrase  "to walk" the words  "or drive"                                                               
be  added,  so if  somebody  can't  walk  or drive  without  this                                                               
placard it  would be an easy  way to adjust for  various kinds of                                                               
disability.  She reiterated her support for SB 47.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:21:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked  whether it would be  in the state's                                                               
interest to  assess someone's vulnerability to  cognitive fatigue                                                               
as part of the application for driving and receiving a license.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALFONSI related her understanding  that some states have this                                                               
requirement and  others don't.   She said  she thinks  the states                                                               
that  have   this  requirement  have  much   better  incorporated                                                               
infrastructure  for brain  injury assessment  and treatment.   In                                                               
Alaska, for  example, the Monday  following her car  accident she                                                               
saw her  primary care provider  who wrote  in her chart  that she                                                               
had  brain fog  and trouble  with expressing  herself.   This was                                                               
with receiving one day off  work with obviously active concussion                                                               
symptoms, and even  with the information available  at that time,                                                               
it was  not appropriate.   The idea of SB  47 is to  increase the                                                               
capability of  these different therapists,  who typically  have a                                                               
greater  amount of  patient interaction,  to be  able to  provide                                                               
each patient with  what they need in a timely  manner.  Cognitive                                                               
difficulties can change  quickly, and people can  heal quickly if                                                               
they  get what  they need  in a  timely manner.   She  would feel                                                               
better about a  system that allows people to try  to heal as soon                                                               
as  possible instead  of a  system with  a medical  shortage that                                                               
punishes people for not being able to heal.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:24:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  inquired whether  a stroke is  considered a                                                               
disability.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  responded that  it is  a disability  in her                                                               
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALFONSI replied  that a stroke is considered a  type of brain                                                               
injury.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:24:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  shared the experience of  a constituent who                                                               
had  had a  stroke  and  was trying  to  get  his driver  license                                                               
reinstated,  but due  to liability  concerns his  physician would                                                               
not  sign off  for  him  to continue  driving.   The  constituent                                                               
reported that the physician did  not provide any measures to work                                                               
toward for showing improvement [and  ability to drive].  However,                                                               
the constituent  heard that if  he went out  of state and  paid a                                                               
few thousand dollars,  a physician would sign  off, something the                                                               
constituent felt was  unfair and illegal.  She  asked whether the                                                               
sponsor had  researched instances concerning  physician liability                                                               
and the providers that would be added through SB 47.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  suggested the question might  be outside of                                                               
the bill's scope  as written, although he  understands that there                                                               
is an adjacent issue.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  agreed the  question is  out of  the bill's                                                               
scope.   She added that she  has been working on  this bill since                                                               
2019 and did her homework  before introducing the bill, which was                                                               
vetted  through meetings  where doctors,  chiropractors, physical                                                               
therapists, and speech therapist were present.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:26:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN, if  the bill became law,  asked whether a                                                               
speech-language  pathologist could  be  held liable  for harm  in                                                               
court if he  or she signs off for this  disability, a [disability                                                               
parking  placard]  is  received,  and  then  the  person  has  an                                                               
accident.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:27:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY  SCHMITZ, Director,  Division  of  Motor Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department  of  Administration, replied  he  would  not have  any                                                               
comment in  terms of liability.   He said DMV would  maintain the                                                               
exact  procedures and  processes that  it does  now when  issuing                                                               
placards.   This bill  would simply expand  the amount  of people                                                               
who can sign  such a certificate.  There would  be no change from                                                               
DMV's perspective.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS,  independent that there would  be no change                                                               
in  liability  from DMV's  perspective,  asked  whether there  is                                                               
currently  a liability  relationship  between the  agency and  an                                                               
accident scenario as described by Representative Eastman.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHMITZ responded that he is  not aware of any liability that                                                               
DMV or the state would have with respect to this.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:28:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN stated  it would be good to  know what the                                                               
typical  liability insurance  profile is  for this  new group  of                                                               
people  who would  be  able  to assess  this  versus the  typical                                                               
liability insurance levels  that a physician carries.   There may                                                               
be a difference  and a distinction, he added,  that could prevent                                                               
heartbreak in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  answered  that she  thinks  the  liability                                                               
would be the same as  it currently is for chiropractors, doctors,                                                               
and nurses, but she will investigate it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:29:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that SB 47 was held over.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 47 Version A.PDF HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
SB 47 Written Testimony (Additional).pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
SB 47 Written Testimony (6).pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
SB 47 Hearing request DTD 4-30-2021 Final.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
SB 47 Sectional Analysis-DTD 4-30-2021.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
SB 47 Sponsor Statement DTD- 4-30-2021.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
HB 187 Sectional Analysis Version A.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 187 Sponsor Statement Version A.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 187 Bill Hearing Request Version A.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 187 Fiscal Note.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 161 Version A.PDF HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB 161 Testifiers List.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB 161 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB161 Letter of Support - Homer.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
SB 71 Sample Plates Plate Demand.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 71
HB 161 Additional Info - DMV License Plate Options.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB 161 Bill Hearing Request.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB 161 Letters of Support.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
HB 161 Sectional Anaylsis.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
SB 47 Fiscal Note 1-2-042321-ADM-N.PDF HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
SB 47
HB 187 Version A.PDF HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 161 (SB 71) Additional Info - Sample Plates Plate Demand.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 161
SB 71
HB 187 Additional Info - Leg Research_15-248.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HJR 7 Amendment A.3 - Eastman 5.5.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
HJR 7 Amendment A.6 - Eastman 5.4.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
HJR 7 Amendment A.4 - Eastman 5.5.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
HJR 7 Amendment A.1 - Kreiss-Tomkins 5.4.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
HJR 7 Amendment A.2 - Vance 5.5.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
HJR 7 Amendment A.7 - Eastman 5.5.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7
CS for HB 187( ) - 5.5.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
CS HB 187(STA) Explanation of Changes.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 187
HB 66 Memo Division of Elections Response to Committee Questions 5.6.2021.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HB 66
HJR 7 Amendment A.8 - Eastman 5.6.21.pdf HSTA 5/6/2021 3:00:00 PM
HJR 7